“We Remain in Him, and He in Us”

1 John 4:13 — The Indwelling Confirmed

The Verse

“By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit.”

— 1 John 4:13 (BSB)

The Neuro-Gnostic Decoding

This verse reveals how you know you’re anchored in The Listener (Christ Consciousness, the Divine Spark).

“We remain in Him, and He in us” = The Sacred Order is mutual and continuous

“He has given us of His Spirit” = The Divine Spark (Pneuma) is already present as direct experiential evidence

This is not faith in doctrine. This is experiential verification.

Breaking Down the Verse

Part 1: “By This We Know”

Greek: en toutō ginōskomen — “By this we know” (experientially, not intellectually)

NOT: “By this we believe” or “By this we hope”

BUT: “By this we know“—direct, experiential, undeniable Gnosis

This is the Gnostic distinction:

  • Pistis (faith, belief) = Trust in external testimony (the exoteric path)
  • Gnosis (knowledge, direct experience) = Experiential recognition of truth (the esoteric path)

1 John 4:13 is Gnosis: You know you remain in Him because you experience His Spirit.

“We Remain in Him, and He in Us”

This is the Sacred Order (see The Sacred Order and John 14:20):

“We remain in Him” = We (The Listener) remain in The Source

“He in us” = The Source (via the Divine Spark/Spirit) remains in us

This is mutual indwelling:

  • You are in The Source (not separated, not distant, not external)
  • The Source is in you (not above, not elsewhere, not in the future)

Neuro-Gnostic translation:

  1. “We remain in Him” = The Listener (Salience Network, awakened awareness) remains anchored in The Source (pre-cognitive intuition, heart-brain coherence)
  2. “He in us” = The Source’s call arises within as the silent knowing, the intuitive pull, the felt sense

This is Flow State Conduction (see Flow State Conduction):

  • Source → Listener → Daemon
  • The call from The Source is received by The Listener
  • The Listener translates it into commands for the Daemon
  • The Daemon executes aligned action

“We remain in Him, and He in us” = The circuit is established and continuously active.

Cross-Reference: John 14:20

John 14:20:

“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, you are in me, and I am in you.”

1 John 4:13 is the confirmation:

  • John 14:20: “You will realize” (the revelation)
  • 1 John 4:13: “By this we know” (the experiential verification)

The sequence:

  1. The revelation (John 14:20): You realize the Sacred Order (Father → Son → you)
  2. The verification (1 John 4:13): You know you remain in this Sacred Order because you experience the Spirit

“He Has Given Us of His Spirit”

“His Spirit” (Greek: pneuma) = The Divine Spark, the Pneuma, awakened consciousness

NOT: An external gift that arrives from outside

BUT: The recognition of what was always present

Gnostic Cross-Reference:

The Gospel of Truth (Nag Hammadi):

“The Father reveals his bosom. Now, his bosom is the Holy Spirit.”

Translation: The Father (The Source) reveals Himself through the Spirit (the Divine Spark within).

“He has given us of His Spirit” means:

  • The Divine Spark is not earned (it’s not a reward for good behavior)
  • The Divine Spark is not acquired (it’s not something external you gain)
  • The Divine Spark is revealed (it was always there, obscured by the hijacking)

This is Anamnesis (Gnostic “un-forgetting”):

  • You have not gained the Spirit
  • You have remembered the Spirit was always in you

How You Know: The Evidence of the Spirit

The Experiential Markers

“By this we know” — What are the signs you remain in Him?

1 John 4:13 says: “He has given us of His Spirit” — You experience the Spirit.

What does this experience look like?

1. The Stillpoint (Interior Silence)

Experience: A spaciousness beneath the Voice, a silence deeper than thought

Neurological: The Salience Network (The Listener) anchored, the DMN’s rumination quieted

How you know: When you pause, there is a quiet presence—not blankness, but aware stillness

Practices: V-Aum Protocol, The Stillpoint, Breath Awareness

This is the Spirit: The awareness that is always here, beneath the noise.

2. The Witness (Dis-identification from the Voice)

Experience: You notice thoughts arise, but you are not the thoughts

Neurological: The Salience Network witnessing the DMN’s narrative without identifying with it

How you know: The Voice is active (“I’m anxious, I need to do this, what if…”), but you recognize: “That’s the Voice. I am the one listening to it.”

Practices: Observing the Voice, Witness Meditation

This is the Spirit: The awareness that witnesses all arising phenomena.

3. The Call (Intuitive Knowing from The Source)

Experience: A silent pull, a felt sense, a “yes” or “no” that arises without words

Neurological: Heart-brain coherence, pre-cognitive intuition (The Source’s call received by The Listener)

How you know: You know something without thinking it through. It’s not the Voice’s analysis—it’s a quiet certainty.

Practices: Heart Listening, Command Training

This is the Spirit: The Source’s call arising as intuitive knowing.

4. Flow (Aligned Action)

Experience: Effortless action, clarity, tasks completing themselves, time disappearing

Neurological: Flow State Conduction (Source → Listener → Daemon → Execution)

How you know: You’re not forcing action. The Daemon executes smoothly. Reality aligns.

Practices: Programming the Daemon, Daily Integration

This is the Spirit: The Daemon functioning as the sanctified tool of The Listener.

5. Peace (The Absence of Hijacked Tyranny)

Experience: Not the absence of challenges, but the absence of the Voice’s tyranny

Neurological: The DMN functioning as a tool (Daemon), not a tyrant (Demon)

How you know: Stress arises, but you don’t identify with it. The Voice speaks, but you don’t believe it.

Practices: Story Disidentification, Resist Not Evil

This is the Spirit: The freedom from the hijacked DMN’s compulsive patterns.

The Verification Practice

“By this we know” — The practice of checking your anchor

Daily Verification (3-5 minutes, morning or evening)

  1. Enter the Stillpoint (3 conscious breaths)
  2. Check for the Spirit’s evidence:
    • Can I find the silence beneath the Voice? ✓
    • Am I aware that I am not the thoughts? ✓
    • Can I sense the silent call from The Source? ✓
    • Did aligned action flow today? ✓
    • Is there peace (even amidst stress)? ✓
  3. Affirm: “By this I know: I remain in Him, and He in me. The Spirit is present.”

If the evidence is absent:

  • Not a problem. The Spirit hasn’t left. You’ve forgotten.
  • Return to the practices (Witness, Stillpoint, Heart Listening)
  • The Spirit is always present. You need only remember.

The Sacred Order: Mutual Indwelling

Part 1: We Remain in Him

The Listener remains in The Source.

This means:

  • You are not separate from The Source
  • You are not distant from The Source
  • You are not disconnected from The Source

How this is experienced:

  • Heart Listening: The silent call from The Source is always accessible
  • Intuitive knowing: The Source’s guidance arises as pre-cognitive certainty
  • Flow: The Source’s will and your action are aligned

Practices: Heart Listening, Command Training

Part 2: He in Us

The Source remains in The Listener.

This means:

  • The Source is not external (not “out there,” not in heaven)
  • The Source is not distant (not requiring mediation, not requiring a priest)
  • The Source is present as the Divine Spark (the Spirit within)

How this is experienced:

  • The Stillpoint: The Source is the silence beneath the noise
  • The Witness: The Source is the awareness that witnesses
  • The Call: The Source is the intuitive pull toward aligned action

Practices: V-Aum Protocol, Witness Meditation, Heart Listening

The Continuous Circuit

“We remain in Him, and He in us” = The circuit is always active

This is not:

  • A one-time event (“I got saved, now I’m in Him”)
  • A state you achieve and lose (“I was in Him yesterday, but today I’m not”)
  • A reward for good behavior (“If I’m good, He’ll be in me”)

This is:

  • A continuous state that can be obscured but never lost
  • Always accessible through recognition (Gnosis)
  • Verified by experience (“By this we know”)

When it feels absent:

  • The hijacking has obscured it (the Demon is loud, the Voice tyrannizes)
  • You’ve forgotten (identification with the Voice)
  • The Spirit hasn’t left. You’ve looked away.

How to return:

  • Remember: “I remain in Him, and He in me”
  • Check for the Spirit: Stillpoint, Witness, Call, Flow, Peace
  • Re-anchor: Return to the practices

The Spirit as Verification, Not Achievement

The Spirit Is Not Earned

Traditional interpretation: If you live righteously, God will give you the Spirit.

Neuro-Gnostic interpretation: The Spirit (Divine Spark, Pneuma) is already present. You don’t earn it. You recognize it.

“He has given us of His Spirit” = Past tense. Already done. Already present.

The task is not:

  • Become good enough to deserve the Spirit
  • Pray hard enough to receive the Spirit
  • Perform rituals to invoke the Spirit

The task is:

  • Remember the Spirit is already here
  • Recognize the evidence (Stillpoint, Witness, Call, Flow, Peace)
  • Return to the practices when you’ve forgotten

The Spirit as Direct Evidence

“By this we know” = The Spirit is experiential proof

This is the Gnostic path: Not faith in external authority, but direct experience of the Divine Spark.

The evidence:

  • Not external signs (miracles, visions, voices)
  • Not doctrinal correctness (believing the right theology)
  • But interior markers (Stillpoint, Witness, Call, Flow, Peace)

If someone claims to “remain in Him” but shows no evidence:

  • No peace (constant anxiety)
  • No witness (total identification with the Voice)
  • No flow (forced, effortful, misaligned action)

Then they do NOT remain in Him. They remain in the hijacking.

The Spirit is the verification. The Spirit is the proof.

Cross-Tradition Parallels

Gnostic Christianity

The Gospel of Truth (Nag Hammadi):

“He who has knowledge knows where he has come from and where he is going.”

Translation: Gnosis (knowing, not believing) is the verification of the Divine Spark.

1 John 4:13 is this: “By this we know” (Gnosis) that we remain in Him—because we experience the Spirit.

Buddhism

Buddha-Nature Verification:

  • You know you have Buddha-nature because you experience awareness (not because scripture says so)
  • The awareness that witnesses thoughts is direct evidence of Buddha-nature
  • Meditation is the verification practice (not a path to gain something, but to recognize what’s already present)

1 John 4:13 is this: “By this we know” = By experiencing awareness (the Spirit), we verify Buddha-nature.

Hinduism

Atman Verification:

  • You know Atman (true Self) is present because you experience the witness of thoughts
  • “I am not the thoughts, I am the awareness”—this is direct evidence of Atman
  • Self-inquiry (Atma Vichara) is the practice of verification

1 John 4:13 is this: “By this we know” = By experiencing the witness (the Spirit), we verify Atman.

Practical Application: The Daily Verification

Morning: Check the Anchor (3-5 minutes)

  1. Enter the Stillpoint (3 conscious breaths)
  2. Check for the Spirit:
    • Silence: Can I find the Stillpoint beneath the Voice?
    • Witness: Am I aware that I am not the thoughts?
    • Call: Can I sense the Source’s silent guidance?
  3. Affirm: “I remain in Him, and He in me. The Spirit is present.”
  4. Set the intention: “Today, I live anchored in The Listener. I command the Daemon with confidence.”

Throughout the Day: Remembering the Spirit

When you notice anxiety, rumination, or hijacked patterns:

  1. Pause
  2. Check: “Where is the Spirit?” (Stillpoint, Witness, Call)
  3. Remember: “I remain in Him, and He in me. The Spirit hasn’t left. I’ve only looked away.”
  4. Return: 3 conscious breaths, anchor in The Listener

Evening: Gratitude for the Spirit (3-5 minutes)

  1. Reflect: Where did I experience the Spirit today? (Stillpoint, Witness, Flow, Peace)
  2. Acknowledge: “The Spirit was present. I remained in Him.”
  3. Gratitude: “Thank you for the Spirit within. Thank you for the constant indwelling.”

Common Experiences

“I don’t feel the Spirit. Does that mean He’s not in me?”

Response: The Spirit is not a feeling. The Spirit is awareness itself.

The hijacked DMN produces feelings (anxiety, excitement, euphoria, despair). The Spirit is the awareness that witnesses those feelings.

Check for the Spirit:

  • Not “Do I feel spiritual?”
  • But “Can I witness the feelings? Can I find the silence beneath the noise?”

If you can witness, the Spirit is present. You are The Listener.

“I keep forgetting. The Voice takes over again.”

Response: This is normal. The hijacking has momentum.

The practice is the repeated returning:

  • Forget → Remember → Forget → Remember

Each time you remember (“I remain in Him, and He in me”), you strengthen the anchor.

The Spirit hasn’t left. You’ve only looked away. Look back.

“How do I know it’s the Spirit and not just my imagination?”

Response: The Spirit is verified by its fruits (the evidence):

  • Peace (not forced calm, but the absence of the Voice’s tyranny)
  • Flow (aligned action, effortless execution)
  • Clarity (the silent knowing from The Source)
  • Dis-identification (the witness of thoughts, not identification with them)

If you’re experiencing these, it’s the Spirit.

If you’re experiencing hijacked patterns (rumination, anxiety, forced effort), you’ve returned to the Demon (hijacked DMN).

The evidence is the verification.

The Invocation: Anchoring in the Spirit

Speak this aloud (or silently) to anchor the recognition:

“By this I know: I remain in Him, and He in me.

The Spirit is present. The Divine Spark is here.

I am not the Voice. I am The Listener.

The Stillpoint is beneath the noise.

The Source’s call arises as silent knowing.

The Daemon executes aligned action.

I remain in Him—anchored in The Source.

He remains in me—the Spirit as my true nature.

This is not faith. This is Gnosis. This is experiential knowing.

By this I know. By the Spirit, I verify.”

Key Takeaways

  1. “By this we know” = Experiential verification (Gnosis), not belief or hope
  2. “We remain in Him, and He in us” = The Sacred Order is mutual and continuous (Source ↔ Listener)
  3. “He has given us of His Spirit” = The Divine Spark is already present, not earned or acquired
  4. The evidence of the Spirit = Stillpoint, Witness, Call, Flow, Peace (interior markers, not external signs)
  5. The verification practice = Daily checking for the Spirit’s evidence
  6. The Spirit never leaves = When it feels absent, you’ve forgotten (the practice is the repeated returning)

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“By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit.”

Not faith. Not hope. Not belief.

Gnosis. Direct experience. The Spirit as verification.